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『スター・ウォーズ/最後のジェダイ』2chでの評価

1: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 00:42:25.52 ID:LGmy1n4H.net
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このスレッドは、映画スター・ウォーズ
エピソード8の話題を扱っています。ゲームや
書籍、玩具ネタに関しては他板に専用スレがあります。
http://find.2ch.net で「スター・ウォーズ」を検索して下さい。
個人的予想・推測・不確定情報などを断定口調で書き込みすると
荒れる原因になったりします。SWに興味のない人はスレに来ませんので
煽りも放置で。荒れているのはどこも同じです。煽り・釣り(っぽいもの)は無視。
次スレッドは>>900辺りで。新規の方は以下のページを見てから質問してくださいね。

Official Website
http://www.starwars.com
Wookieepedia
http://ja.starwars.wikia.com/

前スレ
スター・ウォーズ Episode8 最後のジェダイ Star Wars: The Last Jedi 3
https://lavender.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/cinema/1513342068/

ライアン・ジョンソン

ライアン・クレイグ・ジョンソンRian Craig Johnson, 1973年12月17日 – )は、映画監督、脚本家である。長編映画監督デビュー作『BRICK ブリック』が2005年のサンダンス映画祭で上映され、審査員特別賞を受賞した。

生い立ち

メリーランド州で生まれ、カリフォルニア州サンクレメンテで育つ。大学は南カリフォルニア大学に通い、1996年に映画芸術学部を卒業した。


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3: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 00:45:15.62 ID:LGmy1n4H.net

■スター・ウォーズ 年表

32 BBY     エピソード1 ファントム・メナス (The Phantom Menace)
22 BBY     エピソード2 クローンの攻撃  (Attack of the Clones)
22 BBY 〜       アニメ クローン・ウォーズ (The Clone Wars)
19 BBY     エピソード3 シスの復讐     (Revenge of the Sith)
(アンソロジー2) ハン・ソロ      (Han Solo)
5 BBY 〜        アニメ 反乱者たち     (Rebels)
0 BBY 頃 (アンソロジー1) ローグ・ワン    (Rogue One)
0 BBY      エピソード4 新たなる希望   (A New Hope)
3 ABY      エピソード5 帝国の逆襲    (The Empire Strikes Back)
4 ABY      エピソード6 ジェダイの帰還  (Return of the Jedi)
34 ABY 頃  (エピソード7) フォースの覚醒  (The Force Awakens)
(エピソード8) 最後のジェダイ   (The Last Jedi)
(エピソード9)

スター・ウォーズの鉄人! タイムライン
http://www.starwars.jp/timeline/index.html

銀河標準暦
http://www.starwars.jp/wiki/%E9%8A%80%E6%B2%B3%E6%A8%99%E6%BA%96%E6%9A%A6

BBY (Before the Battle of Yavin) 「ヤヴィンの戦い前」
ABY (After the Battle of Yavin)  「ヤヴィンの戦い後」

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4: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 00:47:25.49 ID:LGmy1n4H.net

■スター・ウォーズ (エピソード8) 最後のジェダイ キャスト

ジョン・ボイエガ (John Boyega) − フィン 役 (Finn)
デイジー・リドリー (Daisy Ridley) − レイ 役 (Rey)
アダム・ドライバー (Adam Driver) − カイロ・レン 役 (Kylo Ren)
オスカー・アイザック (Oscar Isaac) − ポー・ダメロン 役 (Poe Dameron)
アンディ・サーキス (Andy Serkis) − 最高指導者スノーク 役 (Supreme Leader Snoke)
ドーナル・グリーソン (Domhnall Gleeson) − ハックス将軍 役 (General Hux)
キャリー・フィッシャー (Carrie Fisher) − レイア・オーガナ将軍 役 (General Leia Organa)
マーク・ハミル (Mark Hamill) − ルーク・スカイウォーカー 役 (Luke Skywalker)
アンソニー・ダニエルズ (Anthony Daniels) − C-3PO 役
ピーター・メイヒュー (Peter Mayhew) − チューバッカ 役 (Chewbacca)
ジミー・ヴィ (Jimmy Vee) − R2-D2 役
ルピタ・ニョンゴ (Lupita Nyong’o) − マズ・カナタ 役 (Maz Kanata)
グェンドリン・クリスティー (Gwendoline Christie) − キャプテン・ファズマ 役 (Captain Phasma)
ベニチオ・デル・トロ (Benicio Del Toro) − DJ 役
ローラ・ダーン (Laura Dern) − アミリン・ホルドー 役 (Amilyn Holdo)
ケリー・マリー・トラン (Kelly Marie Tran) − ローズ・ティコ 役 (Rose Tico)

Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)
Full Cast & Crew
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

ジョン・ボイエガ

ジョン・ボイエガJohn Boyega)は、イギリスの俳優。ジョー・コーニッシュ監督の『アタック・ザ・ブロック』、スパイク・リー監督のドラマ『Da Brick』、『スター・ウォーズ/フォースの覚醒』のストームトルーパーの脱走兵のFN-2187 / フィン役などで知られる。


wikipediaより

デイジー・リドリー

デイジー・リドリーDaisy Ridley, 1992年4月10日 – )は、イギリスの女優。

キャリア

映画、テレビの他に、イギリス人ラッパーWileyの「Lights On」のミュージックビデオに出演している。

2014年4月、『スター・ウォーズ/フォースの覚醒』のレイ役を演じた。

2014年8月、ユナイテッド・タレント・エージェンシーに変わり、2014年10月にはクリエイティヴ・アーティスツ・エージェンシーに移籍している。

私生活

母はLouise Fawkner-Corbett。


wikipediaより

アダム・ドライバー

アダム・ダグラス・ドライバー(Adam Douglas Driver, 1983年11月19日 – )は、アメリカ合衆国出身の俳優。

2015年より開始した映画『スター・ウォーズ』シリーズ新3部作の主要キャストで知られる。

来歴

カリフォルニア州サンディエゴで生まれ、7歳からインディアナ州で育つ。2001年9月11日に発生したアメリカ同時多発テロ事件を機に、アメリカ海兵隊へ入隊する。その後、マウンテンバイク中に事故で胸骨を骨折したため、退役する。


wikipediaより

オスカー・アイザック

オスカー・アイザックOscar Isaac, 1979年3月9日 – )はグアテマラ出身で主にアメリカ合衆国で活動する俳優、歌手。

来歴

グアテマラにてグアテマラ人の母親とキューバ人の父親の間に生まれる。フロリダ州マイアミで育つ。2005年にジュリアード学院を卒業。

卒業後に本格的に俳優活動を開始し、リドリー・スコット監督の『ロビン・フッド』 やニコラス・ウィンディング・レフン監督の『ドライヴ』等に出演する。


wikipediaより

5: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 00:48:53.62 ID:LGmy1n4H.net

■スター・ウォーズ エピソード8/最後のジェダイ 舞台となる惑星

オクト−(Arch-To) 最初のジェダイ・テンプルがある惑星
ディカー(D’Qar) レジスタンスの基地がある惑星
クレイト(Crait) 石の惑星
カントニカ(Cantonica) カジノシティー カント・バイト(Canto Bight)がある惑星

ディカー −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−→ クレイト → (宇宙空間) (カントニカ)
│                ↑(攻撃)      ↑ ↑
└→ カントニカ → メガ・デストロイヤー −┘ │
↑    │        │
オクトー −−−−−−−−−−−┘    └−−−−−┘

 

6: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 00:51:01.04 ID:LGmy1n4H.net

■スター・ウォーズ エピソード8/最後のジェダイ キャラクター

レイ
ルーク・スカイウォーカー
カイロ・レン
レイア・オーガナ将軍
ポー・ダメロン
フィン
ローズ・ティコ
チューバッカ
BB-8
R2-D2
C-3PO
ハックス将軍
キャプテン・ファズマ
DJ
ホルド提督
スノーク最高指導者
ポーグ
ケアテイカー
アクバー提督
デイシー中佐
イーマット将軍
コニックス中尉
ペイジ・テイコ
カイ
キャナディ艦長
テミリ・ブラッグ
マスター・コードブレイカー
ラヴィー

 

7: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 00:53:12.27 ID:LGmy1n4H.net
○エピソード7 フォースの覚醒 FAQ
質問する前に読んでね
Q 冒頭で地図を渡してた爺さん誰?
A ロア・サン・テッカという新キャラ。クローン戦争時から生きているレイアの盟友らしいが詳細不明。Q 撃墜されたタイファイターが沈んだのはなぜ?
A シンキングフィールドという沈む砂地のような場所に落ちたため
字幕の訳には出ていないが、前のシーンでレイがBB-8に”Sinking Fields”に近付かないよう警告していたのがそれ

Q ストームトルーパーってクローンじゃなかった? EP7で突然人間になったの?
A EP2から3で登場したのが”クローントルーパー”で、帝国が興ったEP3以降老化して志願兵や徴募兵と入れ替わった
(アニメの反乱者たちに人間の志願兵の訓練の様子が登場)
EP7でも劇中のセリフから中身は人間と分かるが、カイロレンがクローンを勧めているので今後登場する可能性はある

Q ライトセイバーってジェダイじゃなくても、フォースが無くても使えるの?
A ライトセイバー自体は普通の刀と一緒 フォースをエネルギーにしているわけじゃない
ただし使うことは出来ても、使いこなすのは難しい

Q 大都市のある惑星が壊されてたけどコルサント?
A 違う。パンフによればホズニアン・プライムという共和国の新首都。

Q 共和国は勝ったのになぜ”レジスタンス”?
A 共和国は復活したものの、帝国残党と和平を結んでから極端に戦争を恐れファースト
オーダーを敵に回せずにいる模様。見かねたレイアが新たに結成したのがレジスタンス。

Q ラストで都合よくR2が再起動した理由は?
A 公式な回答があった。
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-answers-burning-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens
ずっと休止状態だったが最低限のセンサーは生きてて、BB8に初めにあったときに
「おれは地図の一部分(ピース)だけもってんだけど、あんた残り持ってない?」みたいなこと聞かれたのが
引き金になって覚醒を初めて、ラストでようやく完全に覚醒した。
さらにR2が持ってたあのデータは旧作でデススターにアクセスしたときに入手したもの。
もともと帝国のデータなので、レンが同じデータを持ってたのもそういう理由。

 

9: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:00:04.12 ID:0+A6Z1cE.net
そもそも何で新共和国は我関せずの畜生だらけなんだ
ホズニアン星系壊滅させられたんだぞ
劇中経過時間が短いってのはあるだろうけど

 

16: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:01:27.19 ID:PPhUU/6o.net
>>9
それぞれの星の議員が星ごと消されたし心折られたんだろ

 

28: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:03:01.68 ID:wmLIiiXI.net
>>9
帝国消えて各自バラバラに自治してるってのもあんじゃね?

 

11: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:00:28.62 ID:PW55UwqG.net
レイの出生なんて9まで引っ張る謎なんだろうか
ただでさえ今作は次への引きが皆無なのに
最後に明かしておけばよかったろう

 

18: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:01:49.96 ID:PPhUU/6o.net
>>11
引っ張ってないよ
ちゃんと見たのか

 

25: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:02:55.60 ID:PW55UwqG.net
>>18
思わせぶりなシーンを大量に突っ込んだだけで結論は一切語ってないだろ
誰の子供だろうとおかしくない
結論語ってるとこあったか?

 

38: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:04:51.55 ID:gz05yBQL.net
>>25
名もなき普通の人で金の為に売った
本人達はもう死んでるこれが全てだろ
レイもフォースでそういうことだとわかってる

 

66: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:07:51.03 ID:PPhUU/6o.net
>>25
結論語ってたろ
次作であれは嘘でしたとか掟破りなことするなら知らんけど

 

95: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:11:45.64 ID:Vz/9mIKn.net
>>66
おそらくあれが結論なんだろうが
そするとあんだけ強いフォースの力を持ってるのは
別にスカイウォーカーの家系じゃなくていいという事だよなまぁ、かつてはジェダイたくさんいたんだし
べつにルークの直系である必要ないんだろうが・・・

 

108: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:13:21.36 ID:T2rS+Jfe.net
>>95
別にヨーダ含め、選ばれし者”には及ばなくても”優秀なジェダイは居るわなただ、どう似ても”選ばれし者を軽く超えるペースで成長し続ける”というメアリースーでしかない点が
ぶっ叩かれる要因

Mary Sue

メアリー・スー(英語:Mary Sue)とは、理想化されたオリジナルキャラクターを揶揄する語。

概要

メアリー・スーは、1973年に出版されたファンジン『Menagerie』2号に掲載された、編集者の一人ポーラ・スミス(Paula Smith)による『スタートレック』の二次創作小説「A Trekkie’s Tale」に登場するオリジナルヒロイン、メアリー・スー大尉(作中の描写によれば「…艦隊で最年少の大尉であり…年はまだ15歳と半年」)の名前から取られた。

この小説自体、当時のスタートレック・ファンダムの活発な層である思春期の少女たちが書いていた二次創作小説に登場しがちな、非現実的で思春期の願望を具現化したようなオリジナルキャラクター(艦隊でも最年少かつ最優秀で、原作に登場するクルーらから尊敬や愛をよせられ、しかも驚くような能力を持ち原作のクルーをさしおいて大活躍し、実は他人と違う外観や出生の秘密があり、死ぬときは劇的に死んで全員が悲しみに包まれる)を揶揄した小説だった。

メアリー・スーはその後、二次創作作品に限らず原作に登場する同種のキャラクターに対しても呼ばれる(例えば後述するウェスリー・クラッシャー)ようになるなど適用範囲が拡大した。メアリー・スーが男性キャラクターである場合は「Marty Stu」、「Gary Stu」、「Gary Sue」などという。

ポーラ・スミスは後のインタビューにて、スーパーマンやジェームズ・ボンドなどの一次創作のキャラクターをメアリー・スーに該当する例に挙げて「思春期以降の女性と向き合おうとしない当時の若者が自らの願望を叶えるために作った、読者が命を吹き込む余地がないキャラクター」と評している。

類例

Marty Stuは、メアリー・スーの男性版であり、典型的な”理想の男性”として描かれている 。


wikipediaより

124: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:15:10.43 ID:HiYW5Z9B.net
>>108
ヨーダはフォース素質からから考えると完全に選ばれし者だけどなたぶん

 

143: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:17:03.56 ID:T2rS+Jfe.net
>>124
選ばれし者って、大成した時にはその存在によって宇宙全体のフォースのバランスを保つ
存在が消えるが宇宙全体が混沌に陥りかねない
とかそういう次元の潜在能力の持ち主なんだが。まあルークはその域に居たアナキン程の才能ではなかったが

 

133: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:15:58.83 ID:Vz/9mIKn.net
>>108
7でもしかしてルークの娘か?とか
ミスリードしといて実はただの捨て子です
とか肩透かしもいいとこだぜw熱狂的なSWファンは納得すんのかね
ずっとスカイウォーカー家の話だったのに
いや、レンがいるけどさ

 

155: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:18:37.22 ID:wpl8xOTx.net
>>133
ミスリードじゃなくてただのお前の思い込みだろ
今作見て目が覚めたか?

 

181: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:21:30.15 ID:DScneyiZ.net
>>155
誰もが妄想したことだろ

 

131: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:15:44.22 ID:vhjErGJf.net
>>95
というより、血統とか関係ない
自然の力が利用できるかどうかだろうな

 

619: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 02:18:35.85 ID:rfeJYGA1.net
>>95
血統神話を打破するためにやってんの

 

14: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:00:42.78 ID:MlWKW11r.net
エピ7はそこそこ良かったのに
エピ8見事にやってくれたわw
脚本のせいか?監督のせいか?

 

30: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:03:09.45 ID:8HbxV6u8.net
>>14
脚本監督兼ねてなかったっけ

 

31: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:03:11.59 ID:tFOlqOaY.net
>>14
脚本も監督も同じ奴だから戦犯は分かりやすいよね

 

15: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:01:15.49 ID:vhjErGJf.net
レイの鏡のシーンはルークの修行シーンっぽかったな

 

27: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:03:00.29 ID:tQTafXcI.net
正直意外と面白かった。
ヨーダとのやりとりは感動したし、ルークが打たれまくたとき死ななかったのはなんでやねんと思ったらまさか遠くから念じていたのはたまげた。
あとレイかわいすぎる

 

36: 名無シネマ@上映中 2017/12/16(土) 01:04:40.00 ID:58dIkYBT.net
レイとかフィンとかポーで別の作品も考えているとか言ってたがこの三人に単体作や作品引っ張れる魅力を感じないわ
SWのバカでかいビジネス規模とファンがSWならなんでも食いつくだろとかディズニー思っているかもしれんがそううまくいかないんじゃないかと

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    First of all, it’s important to research contractors who specialize in kitchen countertops. Whether you’re looking for granite, quartz, marble, or even something more unique like recycled glass, you’ll want to hire a contractor who has experience with the material you choose. I made the mistake of hiring a contractor who wasn’t familiar with the specific type of countertop I wanted, and let me tell you, it made the process way more stressful than it needed to be.

    Next, reviews are your best friend. Before hiring a contractor, I highly recommend checking online reviews, reading client testimonials, and even asking for referrals from people you trust. A great contractor will have a proven track record of delivering quality work on time and within budget. I personally reached out to past clients for feedback, and it made all the difference.

    Another tip I have is to communicate your vision clearly. The best countertop contractors near me weren’t just skilled workers—they were also great listeners who worked with me to choose the best materials for my kitchen and helped me stay within my budget. This made the entire process much smoother and less stressful.

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